The topic received so many comments that it was deemed reasonable to post it here for copying/printing/distribution.
Also, immediately below here are three other related topics.
FIRST RE-POST - ORIGINAL POST DATE ON LIONS SHARE MAJESTY BLOG - SUNDAY DECEMBER 12, 2010:
Greetings -
This a.m. the Lord led me to do some Bible translation/version research. I found the following:
Source: http://www.av1611.com/
"Virginia Mullenkott served as a consultant on the NIV translating committee, together with the deceased Marten H. Woudstra (a homosexual), and therefore it is no wonder that the word "sodomite" is not found in the NIV."
In research, I read that, according to Virginia Mullenkott, she was not an open lesbian when she worked with the NIV. Currently, she is an open lesbian.
I googled Virginia Mullenkott and found on http://www.wikipedia.com/:
"...She is...an active member of Christian Lesbians OUT. She served as a stylistic consultant for the New International Version of the Bible. Mullenkott is an open lesbian..."
Chairman of the NIV Old Testament translation committee, Dr. Marten H. Woudstra (deceased), was a homosexual.
Sources:
On home page, on top left of screen, click on "King James Bible Page" - once there, on right of screen, click on "Bible Version Comparison Charts."
The charts are:
1. Westcott and Horts Magic Marker Binge
2. Various contradictions and omissions
3. Bible versions and the preeminence of Christ
On home page, on left of screen, a bit past the half mark down the screen, click on "The Bible" - from there scroll down to "New International Version (NIV)" and notice such headings as:
- NIV publisher (Zondervan) is owned by people who publish The Satanic Bible.
- Which Bible verses did the NIV delete? (The Jehovah's Witness "Bible" deletes the EXACT same ones. All of them)
- NIV perverts even the tone of the word of GOD (e-mail from a former NIV reader)
- NIV Old Testament Chairman, Dr. Marten Woudstra, a Sodomite Homosexual
- Former NIV reader says NIV alienates the Father and the Son
(The former NIV reader stated, "Sure, I got saved by the NIV, but it made Jesus a little bit distant from the Father.")
Also, on that subject http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/ page, there are other Bible translation headings.
I am not a gullible person who believes all that I read or hear. As our Lord's Spirit leads, it is wise to seek the Lord, pray, read, hear, and seek the Lord, and pray some more. Only our Lord can lead us to the fullness of truth.
Before proceeding here, I need to clarify that I'm not urging anyone to change the version of the Bible that you read unless, of course, you seek the Lord, and He instructs you to do so. These are my experiences which I felt led of the Lord to share.
As were many other Christians, I was raised with the original King James Bible. Also later, as did other Christians, I began to read other Bible versions. A few years ago, The Amplified Bible is the one that I mostly used until one day the Lord spoke to me and told me to mostly use the original King James Bible. I began to do so.
After some weeks, I noticed that I had become more potent and powerful in the Lord. I didn't attribute that to the change in Bible versions until I moved to Florida and met a pastor who uses an original King James Bible. I asked him why he read that version. He responded that it was the most potent and powerful version. That is when I knew that that was why I had become more potent and powerful in the Lord. Of course, I know that obedience to the content is vital.
Also, the original King James Bible is easier to memorize and it has more rhythm. I have a relative who mostly uses the New King James Bible but when she reads the Psalms, for rhythmic reasons, she reads them in the original King James Bible.
Some people express that they cannot understand/follow the archaic language in the original King James Bible. A few years ago I read where a five-year-old child testified of her preference for the Authorized King James Bible. Whatever I don't understand in the original King James Bible, I pray for the Lord to help me to know. In fact, daily before I open my Bible I pray for understanding - trusting that the Lord will illuminate what He needs to when and how He desires.
One Christian friend of mine (I'll call her Debbie) was advised by another Christian to stop reading the NIV version. I didn't know that when I shared with Debbie how the Lord had led me away from the NIV and the Amplified versions. She mentioned to me that I was the second Christian who had mentioned to her doubts about the NIV. Another Christian friend of mine (I'll call her Kate) stated that her pastor uses the New King James Version and that she used that version to follow him. I shared with Kate what the Lord informed me, and asked her if she was more concerned about following what her pastor used or what our Lord instructed. I didn't advise Debbie or Kate to forsake their versions. I asked them to seek the Lord about it.
Well, weeks later Debbie stated that she had started solely reading the original King James Bible. She mentioned that one day a non-Christian client asked her what had happened to her because she sounded more confident in tone. The only thing that Debbie could attribute her change to was that she now solely read the original King James Bible. A non-Christian noticed that Debbie had become more potent in tone.
As for Kate - first I must state that Kate is very firm about seeking the Lord. When we advise and inform one another, we both crave "Where is that in the Bible" and while we listen to one another, we firmly adhere to seeking the Lord in prayer for final words. Weeks after we had the Bible version conversation, Kate informed me that one day she was in a Christian bookstore and her hand was "drawn" to select from the shelf an original King James Bible. She knew that it was the Lord who led her to purchase it. Later, she too expressed to me the potency of it versus the New King James Bible. She further stated that though her pastor uses the New King James she has no problems following him using the original King James Bible.
I read where other Christians stated that the development of all of these Bible versions is profit driven. Also, that Satan waters down content in some of the versions because he knows that to omit certain words and scriptures means less potency and power for those who read the diluted versions. Another pastor mentioned how people have all of these Bible versions and don't read and obey any of them. Some of this information caused me to think. Years ago, most Christians used the only Bible version that was primarily available - the original King James Bible. My take is that biblically they had less to choose from but in many cases, they were/are stronger Christians than some are today.
I was led to do some research relative to some of the different versions available. What I discovered was that it is true that some other versions omit entire scriptures, and also they omit and/or change wording that is in the original King James. Some have argued that even the original King James Version is not original Bible text. That is likely true but of the other versions that I have read, the original King James is the best of the English versions that are available.
There is a very convincing comparison chart on the Internet that shows some glaring differences in various version content. After reading that chart, I'm more convinced about how the Lord led me relative to primary usage of the original King James. I must add that, on rare occasions, as led by the Lord, I do refer to the Amplified, and my study Bible for commentary purposes.
Ref - The commentary in Bibles:
I was heavily into reading commentaries until, in Florida, a pastor stated to be mindful about accepting commentaries as gospel truth. And when I moved back to D.C. and took a Bible course, the teachers stressed to receive from the Holy Spirit before reading commentaries. And lastly, a fellow blogger, who was once an atheist expressed that commentaries are not necessarily gospel truth. Now I refer to Bible commentaries only as led by the Lord, which is rarely.
Notes:
- Am I saying that to be a potent Christian, you must read the original King James Bible? No, these are my experiences and the experiences of people that I know. Full obedience to GOD to the best of our knowledge is the answer for spiritual fulfillment.
- When I watch Christian programming, I do have a preference for the bishops and pastors who use the original King James Bible. One pastor, reads first from the original King James Bible and then he reads the same passage(s) from the Amplified Bible. Of course, my spirit needs to bear witness that they are true people of GOD. We know that Satan knows the Bible but does not obey it therefore our spirits do not bear witness to any holy anointed power from him for he does not possess any form of holy power.
- At church, I read from the original King James Bible no matter what version is used by the pastor(s) or guest speaker(s).
- I am an editor and recently edited a book by a Christian who uses the NIV. I didn't urge her to use the original King James Bible because that isn't my role as an editor.
- Without love, we are nothing - regardless of our Bible usage - whatever the version(s).
In sum, I strongly urge that you seek the Lord as to whether to change the usage of your Bible
version(s).
version(s).
Thank you for your indulgence.
Love,
SandraSECOND RE-POST - ORIGINAL POST DATE - SUNDAY DECEMBER 12, 2010
Greetings -
Here are just three examples of what I found on the comparison chart that I provided the link to on my earlier post on this matter.
(I did not simply read what the chart cited - I looked the information up in the actual cited Bible translations.)
Matthew 18:11 - KJV
For the son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mathew 18:11 - NIV
That scripture is omitted entirely. In my Comparative Study Bible, the NIV goes from verse 10 to verse 12. Verse 11 is not there! That bothers me.
Matthew 9:13 - KJV
...for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:13 - NIV
For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. "to repentance" is omitted.
Colossians 1:14 - KJV
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1:14 - NIV
In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. "through his blood" is omitted. That really bothers me.
The comparison charts that I cited have numerous such examples.
THIRD RE-POST - ORIGINAL POST DATE - THURSDAY DECEMBER 16, 2010:
Greetings -
Here are instances where Jesus, God and the Spirit have been removed:
Matthew 25:13 - KJV
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 25:13 - NIV
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
(Note: They removed "Son of man" which equals - they removed Christ.)
Luke 4:4 - KJV
...That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4:4 - NIV
...Man does not live on bread alone.
(Note: They removed "God.")
John 6:47 - KJV
...He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 6:47 - NIV
I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
(Note: There is no mention of "on me." How is that telling us the truth if they leave out "on me?" To remove "on me" is to remove Christ.)
The Acts 2:30 - KJV
...according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
The Acts 2:30 - NIV
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
(Note: They removed "Christ.")
The Acts 8:37 - KJV
...I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
The Acts 8:37 - NIV
(Note: They removed Christ - and the entire verse. The NIV does not have verse 37 - at all.)
The Acts 23:9 - KJV
...let us not fight against God.
The Acts 23:9 - NIV
(Note: They removed "God." That statement "let us not fight against God" has been removed.)
1 Peter 1:22 - KJV
...through the Spirit..
1 Peter 1:22 - NIV
(Note: They removed "the Spirit.")
Revelation 20:9 - KJV
...fire came down from God...
Revelation 20:9 - NIV
fire came down from heaven...
(Note: They removed "God.")
Revelation 5:14 - KJV
... and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 5:14 - NIV
...and the elders fell down and worshipped.
(Note: They removed "him..." - which equals - they removed Christ.)
1 John 4:3 - KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
1 John 4:3 - NIV
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.
(Note: They removed "that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not "of" God. - The KJV says that EVERY spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God." The NIV removed "is come in the flesh" - does that mean that they are one of the EVERY spirit?) Also in that scripture, the NIV mentions "Jesus" but removed "Christ." It says, " but every spirit that does not acknowlege Jesus is not from God." The KJV says "Jesus Christ."
It deeply disturbs me that in the above cited instances, "God, Jesus, and the Spirit" were removed.
Here are a couple of other instances of NIV "changes":
Romans 13:9 - KJV
...Thou shalt not bear false witness,...
Romans 13:9 - NIV
(Note: That statement "Thou shalt not bear false witness" has been removed. - Does that mean that the NIV does bear false witness?)
Revelation 21:24 - KJV
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light:
Revelation 21:24 - NIV
The nations will walk by its light,...
(Note: They removed "which are saved.")
Notes from former NIV readers (first mentioned here under the topic, "MY EXPERIENCES WITH THE ORIGINAL KING JAMES BIBLE, DATED SUNDAY DECEMBER 12, 2010.)
- NIV perverts even the tone of the word of GOD (e-mail from a former NIV reader)
- Former NIV reader says NIV alienates the Father and the Son
(The former NIV reader stated, "Sure, I got saved by the NIV, but it made Jesus a little bit distant from the Father.")
(The former NIV reader stated, "Sure, I got saved by the NIV, but it made Jesus a little bit distant from the Father.")
Sandra's comments:
For new converts to Christ, I have often been informed that the Gospel of John is a good book to begin in the original KJV. There have been vigorous discussions that the NIV and other versions are easier to understand. For hundreds of years before the other versions became available, scores of people got saved with usage of the original KJV version. Many strong, potent, powerful Christians were/are the result. Of course, sincere prayer is vital for understanding God's word, and of utmost importance is to love the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls, and minds, and to love others, according to God's commands.
For new converts to Christ, I have often been informed that the Gospel of John is a good book to begin in the original KJV. There have been vigorous discussions that the NIV and other versions are easier to understand. For hundreds of years before the other versions became available, scores of people got saved with usage of the original KJV version. Many strong, potent, powerful Christians were/are the result. Of course, sincere prayer is vital for understanding God's word, and of utmost importance is to love the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls, and minds, and to love others, according to God's commands.
Also, as the former NIV reader stated above, "Sure, I got saved by the NIV, but it made Jesus a little bit distant from the Father,"
Further, relative to the NIV being easier to understand:
All of those removals of "God, and Jesus" that I mentioned in scripture citations above, makes me even more disinclined to support the NIV. If I were a new convert, I believe that I'd be inclined to read the Bible that included God, and Jesus, such as is shown in the original KJV.
In addition, I read that one Christian stated that it is possible to get saved using the NIV, but that it does not promote spiritual growth.
Some may believe that those removals of God, and Jesus from the NIV are not of major importance. I lovingly disagree. Also, I wonder what else has been removed from the NIV. In addition, the website http://www.av1611.com/ mentions omissions and distortions relative to the NAS and the NKJV. I have read some of that, as well.
Relative to the foreign languge translation matters:
I confess ignorance about said issue but sincerely state that I'm deeply grateful for those that our Lord has led in those realms.
Certainly we need saints who are knowledgable to go forth into all the world to teach and to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God, according to what the word of our Lord commands. Indeed there are people of excellence who our Lord has appointed to minister relative to foreign languages and cultures. Their valuable endeavors are much appreciated.
My original post on this topic received numerous lengthy comments that varied in tone. I deeply appreciate all of those comments because truly we do learn from one another. My firm belief is that we are all students and teachers in the body of our Lord. Praise His awesome all-knowing name.
Also, I have moved here the comments below relative to my "TAG ON" about the KJV posting.
Also, I have moved here the comments below relative to my "TAG ON" about the KJV posting.
Comments from "TAG ON" post dated Sunday December 12, 2010:
...said...
Note from Sandra:
In this re-post, I removed the comments made by someone else on LIONS SHARE MAJESTY because I didn't request his permission to post his comments here on this blog. If you are so inclined to read his comments, please go to the subject blog under the topic, "TAG ON..." dated Sunday December 12, 2010.
Note from Sandra:
In this re-post, I removed the comments made by someone else on LIONS SHARE MAJESTY because I didn't request his permission to post his comments here on this blog. If you are so inclined to read his comments, please go to the subject blog under the topic, "TAG ON..." dated Sunday December 12, 2010.
December 13, 2010 10:33 PM
lioneagle said... (note: lioneagle is my blogger "name.")
Hi Pastor ... -
Thank you for weighing in on this. Your viewpoints are valued indeed.
Interesting that you mentioned the part about the italics in the KJV. Yes...indeed.
My experience is that the original KJV is easier to memorize and quote. When I started mostly using the KJV, that progressed to where I can quote it from memory for about a half hour without repeating a citation. Sometimes I quote it out loud without pausing - for more than 30 minutes. Some years ago, I found myself in a disturbing circumstance and I didn't have my Bible with me. I was able to quote out loud extensively from the KJV and that was a major help in that mini-crisis. Now I take my Bible everywhere. Some months ago, I was with some people and we were getting out of the car to go to the grocery store. I got my Bible. One of my companions told me that I could leave my Bible in the car. My response was that I take my Bible everywhere - and I added there could be someone in the grocery store who needs something from the Bible. They agreed...though I don't believe that it was heartily. No matter...my Bible goes with me everywhere, and I pray regularly to our Lord that I will steadfastly live what is in its pages!
May our Lord help us all.
Back to the present today, Thursday December 16, 2010:
From Sandra:
Thank you to all who have commented. I sincerely appreciate your viewpoints and believe that there has been teaching and learning in the process.
Love to you all,
Sandra
Sandra
Prayer:
Righteous Father God, only You know it all. I have written here as Your messenger with the awareness that I am finite, and that You are infinite. We are commanded to love You, to obey You, and to trust You - above all else.
Please move upon hearts to seek You in earnest in regard to this Bible version matter. I know what You have instructed me and that is to mostly use the original King James version - with rare exceptions. I am also certain that You instructed me to post these comments. What I don't know is what You purpose to do in the hearts of others. That role, Lord, is Yours alone. You assigned me this duty to post the words. My prayer is that You are sought for clarity and direction on the matter. Some of my fellow body-of-Christ members already have the necessary clarity from You while others do not. May only Your will be obeyed by us all.
Thank you, Lord - Amen.
To close, below are words from our Lord:
This a.m. the Lord gave me these scriptures:
Galatians 1:7 - KJV
...and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Jeremiah 23:36 - KJV
...for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.
And Hosea 4:6 - KJV
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:...
Click on the links below if you are inclined to read some or all of the subject comments associated with the re-posts here.
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/original-king-james-bible.html (The original post of this one received 52 comments.)
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/god-and-jesus-have-been-removed.html
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/tag-on-to-my-earlier-post-today-my.html
LINKS FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Please review, with prayer, the subject website articles about distortions and omissions contained in Bible translations such as the New King James Bible, the NIV and the NAS versions of the Holy Bible:
Click on the links below if you are inclined to read some or all of the subject comments associated with the re-posts here.
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/original-king-james-bible.html (The original post of this one received 52 comments.)
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/god-and-jesus-have-been-removed.html
http://lioneaglesoar.blogspot.com/2010/12/tag-on-to-my-earlier-post-today-my.html
LINKS FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Please review, with prayer, the subject website articles about distortions and omissions contained in Bible translations such as the New King James Bible, the NIV and the NAS versions of the Holy Bible:
Note: Some of the reference links in this post may or may not still be active. The original post of this was done more than a year ago when the referenced links were proven to be active.
